i think this is going to get down to $140,000, $120,000 that was the number that paul ryan floated today. things that trouble me. i don't want middle class taxes to go up at all. so i'm worried about not just the mortgage deduction, the kiddy credit, health care deductions and earned income tax credits and i'm a little concerned, i would have to see the details, i want it to red line all middle class deductions and soak the upper end whose rate comes down to 28. >> the chances are of somebody making $80,000 or less, you are probably not going to hit them on the earned income tax credits, probably pretty unlikely. but you are right. it could be a problem with the middle class. you have to see the fine print. did romney release the fine print? >> interview from the fox affiliate in denver. can i ask you? >> let me say this, this is the first time in a long time that i disagree wednesday yo disagreeed with you. if you can trade in people in the middle class to increase their investment i'm all for it even if it means a small investment in the amount that they pay. >> why not get rid of that